Sorry, I was being a bit cute, but it probably doesn't break any non- disclosure to mention that you can get it by registering (free) at the Apple developer site. There are major changes but as you need a 64-bit machine and my main machine is an earlier MacBook Pro I haven't gotten into it to much. Its prob. worth a look.. On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Sean Luke wrote: > Did it come out? And no change? > > Sean > > On Jan 8, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Miles Parker wrote: > >> I can now make an informed "speculation" that the 1.6 update isn't >> a huge improvement. >> >> On Oct 31, 2007, at 6:58 AM, Tony Bigbee wrote: >> >>> If you're willing to read through the gazillion posts to Apple's >>> java-dev list on this subject, you can absorb a lot. >>> But Apple just put out a tech note on 'resolved issues', but there >>> is >>> at least one tech note to come in the near future. Some people have >>> speculated that 1.6 for Leopard will be out, at least in Preview >>> form >>> soon. >>> >>> http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/Java/JavaLeopardRN/ >>> index.html >>> >>> Also, on Leopard running 1.5 you can't invoke the 64-bit mode (-d64) >>> on anything but a Core 2 Duo. >>> >>> On 10/31/07, Miles T. Parker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> Argh..I just ordered it! Couldn't find a whole lot about this issue >>>> online, except that 1.6 isn't included, which doesn't surprise me >>>> at >>>> all. I'm wondering if this mainly impacts visualization or if it is >>>> GUI in general (I don't care so much about 1.6 improvements to >>>> Swing >>>> as I'm spending much of my time in Eclipse these days..) Or..eh..if >>>> it is Java performance altogether, that would really suck. I think >>>> I'll install it on my wife's MacBook first.. >>>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Sean Luke wrote: >>>> >>>>> You've probably heard: OS X 10.5 (Leopard) runs Java exceptionally >>>>> slowly if at all. This is because they've turned off OpenGL >>>>> hardware acceleration (or what little of it they had in 10.4). >>>>> I've been told that a number of Java simulation environments, such >>>>> as Processing, are having difficulty. I have not tested MASON >>>>> under Leopard and cannot verify that it will run well or not. But >>>>> given Leopard's serious Java problems, you may wish delaying any >>>>> upgrade until a later version (10.5.1, perhaps). >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>