MARCEDIT-L Archives

March 2011

MARCEDIT-L@LISTSERV.GMU.EDU

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Archives and Collections Society <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
MarcEdit support in technical and instructional matters <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Tue, 8 Mar 2011 10:27:51 -0500
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (151 lines)
Terry,

Many thanks for your reply - and of course all the work you do on MarcEdit. 
Might I request one thing: when you reach the "last" version of MarcEdit 
that will be compatible with the .Net 3 framework, would you please be kind 
enough to advise us so that we can save a complete install package (either 
.exe or .msi)? (At the moment we are on auto-update.)

We are looking into installing MarcEdit on our production machines (all 
Ubuntu 10.10) as our last foray failed due to something in Wine 1.2.2 - we 
didn't spend much time attempting to dubug but I'm sure we can fix it.

MarcEdit suggests Mono 2.10, but Ubuntu is limited to Mono 2.6.7 (installed 
as mono-complete (2.6.7-3ubuntu1)); from the Mono site <quote>: Mono is 
considered a "core framework" in Ubuntu, meaning it has many applications 
depending upon it (roughly 40 applications). Due to this, the chance of one 
of those applications breaking due to unexpected changes in their 
underlying framework is considered too high to risk an update. As a result, 
Mono cannot officially be backported in Ubuntu.</quote>  Do you think this 
may be problematic?

Also Yaz (currently 3.0.53) is an intrinsic part of our Koha system. Are 
there likely to be compatibility concerns over version control? (The Koha 
developers appear to be discussing Yaz 4.)

Finally, zlibc (0.9k-4.1) on Ubuntu is not likely to be problematic.

Again - thanks,
Paul

At 03:20 PM 3/7/2011 -0800, Reese, Terry wrote:
>Paul,
>
>I can understand that -- however, Microsoft is no longer supporting 
>Windows XP SP2, and for good reason.  It's one of the last version of 
>Windows that allowed programs to go willy nilly mucking about with the 
>system registry (and other parts of the system).  Most tools that don't 
>run on Windows XP SP 3 probably shouldn't have run in the first place.  If 
>you develop on Windows, Microsoft does provide a set of best practices 
>that really should be followed to ensure long-term support.  Those that 
>broke after Windows XP SP3 (and MarcEdit was one of them), broke because 
>we were not adhering to best practices and likely were using the registry 
>to move data between programs, when likely we shouldn't have been.   But 
>as you say, there are many and often times Microsoft's compatibility 
>settings simply won't work these types of programs.  And while Windows XP 
>SP3 is something you can download for free -- the cost associated with 
>replacing or working around programs that will not work !
>  with it does have a real cost (as you point out).
>
>With that said, if I'm going to use .NET (and I'm pretty invested in it 
>both on Windows and 'Nix side) -- then I have to move the application 
>forward.  As I say, some of the work I'm doing with OCLC sped this process 
>along -- but regardless, the development roadmap I keep for the program 
>had this moved pegged for June 2011 -- regardless.  If you can't (or 
>won't) run a system that supports the version of .NET required 
>(specifically, this is Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Client Profile), I'd 
>very much suggest running MarcEdit via Linux.  I run the program this way 
>all the time.  Updates are more of a manual process (because you have to 
>do it yourself) -- but otherwise it seems to work quite well and I have a 
>YouTube video posted just this weekend that demonstrates how you'd do the 
>install.
>
>--TR
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MarcEdit support in technical and instructional matters
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Archives and
> > Collections Society
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MARCEDIT-L] FYI for the next update
> >
> > At 09:09 AM 3/7/2011 -0800, Reese, Terry wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >   Regardless of work I was doing with OCLCs tools, MarcEdit would have
> > >shifted to the .NET 4.0 framework no later than June.  This is
> > >something  that is being done for three reasons:
> > >1)      The .NET 3.0 framework (which MarcEdit currently uses) is over 3
> > >years old.  In many ways, .NET is like Java.  As they make changes,
> > >enhancements, etc., they change the framework number.  There are simply
> > >some enhancements to the framework and some bugs that have been
> > fixed
> > >that I would like to stop working around.  With OCLC announcing that
> > >Connexion will be moved to .NET Framework 4 that was enough for me to
> > >decide to make that change.
> > [snip]
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > Unfortunately, there are "system requirements" dictated by Microsoft -
> > which include SP3 for WinXP. This is something that for various [security,
> > functional, financial and esoteric] reasons I refuse to do on the many 
> WinXP
> > machines that we run at our institution - we decided, over many years and
> > after a huge expenditure of time and effort on SP3, Vista and Win7, that
> > WinXP SP2 would be the last Microsoft OS that we would use while migrating
> > to Linux. This maintains backwards compatibility with dozens of useful
> > applications that are intrinsic to our operations, but denies us the 
> possibility
> > of using MarcEdit 5.5 on the two machines currently using it.
> >
> > We have not yet used the Linux version - but will try over the next few 
> days
> > and look into staff training requirements. I can only request that, 
> whatever
> > the importance of OCLC to you and some other users, you maintain the very
> > high quality of service to the majority. Having been involved in software
> > development and deployment for more years than I care to remember, I can
> > assure you that a majority of worldwide users do *not* follow the Microsoft
> > gravy train when it comes to OS updates and the associated licensing.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Paul
> > Tired old sys-admin.
> >
> > ---
> > Archives and Collections (ACS) Society
> > 205, Main Street, Picton, Ontario, K0K 2T0, Canada http://www.AandC.org
> > Canadian Charitable Organization 88721 9921 RR0001 Dedicated to maritime
> > conservation and education.
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > ______________
> >
> > This message comes to you via MARCEDIT-L, a Listserv(R) list for 
> technical and
> > instructional support in MarcEdit.  If you wish to communicate directly 
> with
> > the list owners, write to [log in to unmask] To
> > unsubscribe, send a message "SIGNOFF MARCEDIT-L" to
> > [log in to unmask]
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>This message comes to you via MARCEDIT-L, a Listserv(R) list for technical 
>and instructional support in MarcEdit.  If you wish to communicate 
>directly with the list owners, write to 
>[log in to unmask] To unsubscribe, send a message 
>"SIGNOFF MARCEDIT-L" to [log in to unmask]

---
Archives and Collections (ACS) Society
205, Main Street, Picton, Ontario, K0K 2T0, Canada
http://www.AandC.org
Canadian Charitable Organization 88721 9921 RR0001
Dedicated to maritime conservation and education. 

________________________________________________________________________

This message comes to you via MARCEDIT-L, a Listserv(R) list for technical and instructional support in MarcEdit.  If you wish to communicate directly with the list owners, write to [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe, send a message "SIGNOFF MARCEDIT-L" to [log in to unmask]

ATOM RSS1 RSS2